At Which Time I Offer Dana Perino A Suggestion

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During a live segment on Fox News yesterday, Dana Perino had this to say about atheists who don’t like the words “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance.

“I’m tired of them. I remember working at the Justice Department years ago when I first started right after 9/11 and a lawsuit like this came through, and before the day had finished, the United States Senate and the House of Representatives had both passed resolutions saying that they were for keeping ‘under God’ in the pledge. If these people really don’t like it, they don’t have to live here.”

I suppose I could presume to lecture her from my blog on how the Pledge didn’t used to contain the words “Under God” and was only added by a joint resolution of Congress on June 14, 1954 (amending §4 of the Flag Code enacted in 1942).

But I won’t. I will, however, offer to suggest that if Ms. Perino doesn’t like our separation of church and state I will gladly buy her a one-way plane ticket to a place where not only atheism isn’t allowed, it’s illegal.

No, not the Middle East. The place I have in mind is actually beautiful, tropic and sports some of the most beautiful beaches in the world. I may be a liberal, I may not like Ms. Perino’s political leanings but I’m certainly not a monster. I wouldn’t wish the Middle East on her, anyone or even my worst enemy.

Where is this country, you ask? The one completely devoid of atheists and the ones who dare show themselves are thrown in jail?

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Yes, Indonesia – a country where atheism is considered blasphemy and will get you thrown in jail but don’t worry, Dana – it’s cool. Indonesia is (mostly, for the time being) a secular country where there’s two sets of laws (one for Muslims and ones for non-muslims) and where your Christian marriage is considered a civil union.

But at least you won’t have those awful atheists to put up with anymore.

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13 thoughts on “At Which Time I Offer Dana Perino A Suggestion

  1. The Declaration of Independence, the document that contains the political philosophy upon which the United States was founded, mentions God four times.

    Three of the mentions are “the Laws of Nature and Nature’s God,” which is the legislative branch: the “God of Providence,” which is the executive branch; and “God the judge,” which is the legislative branch.

    The reason the government is divided is so that the power of God to rule over men, never falls into the hands of a single man, group of men or an institution.

    For that is what constitutes tyranny.

    The Declaration also states that “all men are created equal,” that means that only God has the authority, wisdom and goodness to rule over men.

    Since men are equal to one another, no man has the power to rule over another.

    Thus a divided government that is constrained and defined by the Constitution.

    For Americans, nothing could be more meaningful than “one nation under God.”

    1. “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

      – Thomas Jefferson.

      And he ought to know.

      1. Yes, a fine rhetorical document that was a declaration of war that has absolutely no legal standing in this country.

        Yes, he did write it. I’ve seen his drafts.

      2. The Declaration of Independence contains 2000 years of Western Heritage.

        Contained within it is the ideal necessary to construct a just society – the goal of philosophers and statesmen since the beginning of civilization.

        It is the foundation of the American Constitution which formed the basis for our (American) Lockean republic.

        America rose further, faster than any other nation in human history, not by coincidence, but because of the deep understanding the Founding Fathers had of political philosophy and human nature.

        Martin Luther King Jr. cited Natural Law as the basis for human rights in his Letter from the Birmingham Jail.

        Abraham Lincoln also cited Natural Law in his crusade to end slavery.

        And at the core of the Declaration of Independence are “the Laws of Nature and Nature’s God.”*

        * Quoted from the Declaration of Independence.

      3. My point is that your claim that the Declaration is nothing but a rhetorical document is false.

        Rhetoric is nothing but passing wind.

        Calling the Declaration a rhetorical document is either an intentional insult or a statement of deeply ingrained ignorance.

      4. “Rhetoric is nothing but passing wind.”

        rhet·o·ric
        ˈretərik/
        noun
        1.the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, esp. the use of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.

        synonyms: oratory, eloquence, command of language, way with words

        No, it isn’t.

        You’re entitled to your opinion but you’re not entitled to you own facts and your own definitions.

      5. wisb8,

        In spite of your eloquent description of the Declaration of Independence, the bottom line is that you have no idea what it really means.

        If you did, you wouldn’t be quote dropping in order to disparage Christianity or playing word games.

        Atheists love word games.

        Ancient Greek philosophers like Socrates, Plato and Aristotle called such people sophists.

        And they did so with a great amount of loathing because there is no truth in word games.

        It’s like passing wind, just like I said earlier.

      6. “In spite of your eloquent description of the Declaration of Independence, the bottom line is that you have no idea what it really means.”

        It’s a declaration of war.

        “If you did, you wouldn’t be quote dropping in order to disparage Christianity or playing word games.”

        Continue…

        “Atheists love word games.”

        Yet, I’m disparaging.

        “Ancient Greek philosophers like Socrates, Plato and Aristotle called such people sophists.”

        Though my arguments are clever, I do admit, they’re not misleading. They can be verified by source.

        “And they did so with a great amount of loathing because there is no truth in word games.”

        Sort of like the one you’re playing now?

        “It’s like passing wind, just like I said earlier.”

        Professional opinion?

      7. Wilsb8,

        That the Declaration of Independence is a declaration of war is obvious.

        It’s like asking who’s buried in Grant’s tomb.

        In summary, you are using the Declaration of Independence to disparage Christians, play word games and scream the obvious as if it were something hidden and profound.

        Passing wind, just like I’ve been saying all along.

        Goodbye. Farewell. May God bless you and keep you and grant your heart’s desire.

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